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This page will discuss various tactical considerations when pitting two or more ships against each other. | This page will discuss various tactical considerations when pitting two or more ships against each other. | ||
Usually ships with 3 or fewer fighter bays are not considered combat vessels. The [[Evil Empire]]'s [[Super Star Destroyer]] for instance is better used in conjunction with a beefier ship (its | Usually ships with 3 or fewer fighter bays are not considered combat vessels. The [[Evil Empire]]'s [[Super Star Destroyer]] for instance is better used in conjunction with a beefier ship (its [[Imperial Assault]] ability is much more valuable than the ship per se), and can only effectively fight ships with a few beams. Additionally, 1- or 2-bay carriers like the [[Iron Slave Class Baseship]] are seldom built, simply because they are not powerful at all. | ||
The outcome of combat between two ships depends on the abilities of the ships involved, and the combination used. A cheap combination of ships can take out an expensive ship, and a race that trades cheap ships to kill expensive ships can often lose every battle, and win the war in the end by bleeding dry their opponent. | The outcome of combat between two ships depends on the abilities of the ships involved, and the combination used. A cheap combination of ships can take out an expensive ship, and a race that trades cheap ships to kill expensive ships can often lose almost every battle, and win the war in the end by bleeding dry their opponent. | ||
== Most Powerful Ships == | == Most Powerful Ships == | ||
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By consensus, the most powerful ships in the game, all things considered, are the following: | By consensus, the most powerful ships in the game, all things considered, are the following: | ||
# Gorbie ( | # [[Gorbie Class Battlecarrier|Gorbie]] ([[Empire|Evil Empire]], Carrier) | ||
# Biocide (Cyborg, Carrier) Biocide 67.3% vs Virgo 27.3% | # [[Biocide Class Carrier|Biocide]] ([[Cyborg]], Carrier) [[Biocide Class Carrier|Biocide]] 67.3% vs [[Virgo Class Battlestar|Virgo]] 27.3% | ||
# Golem ( | # [[Golem Class Baseship|Golem]] ([[Robots]], Carrier) | ||
# Rush ( | # [[Rush Class Heavy Carrier|Rush]] ([[Rebels]], Carrier) | ||
# Virgo ( | # [[Virgo Class Battlestar|Virgo]] ([[Colonies]], Carrier) | ||
# Automa ( | # [[Automa Class Baseship|Automa]] ([[Robots]], Carrier)/ [[Crystal Thunder Class Carrier|Crystal Thunder]] ([[Crystals]], Carrier) | ||
# | # [[Annihilation Class Battleship|Annihilation]] ([[Cyborg]], Torp) | ||
# | # [[Nova Class Super-Dreadnought|Nova]] ([[The_Solar_Federation|Feds]], Torp) | ||
# Darkwing ( | # [[Dark Wing Class Battleship|Darkwing]] ([[The_Empire_of_Birds|Birdmen]], Torp) | ||
# | # [[Instrumentality Class Baseship|Instrumentality]] ([[Robots]], Carrier) | ||
# Victorious ( | # [[Victorious Class Battleship|Victorious]] ([[Fascists]], Torp)/ [[Diamond Flame Class Battleship|Diamond Flame]] ([[Crystals]], Torp) | ||
# T-Rex ( | # [[T-Rex Class Battleship|T-Rex]] ([[Lizards]], Torp; with Liz crew is better then a Vict/Diamond Fl) | ||
# Missouri ( | # [[Missouri Class Battleship|Missouri]] ([[The_Solar_Federation|Feds]], Torp) | ||
However, don't underestimate ship combinations. The Feds, Lizards and Crystals in particular have strong, cheap ships, that while unable to go toe-to-toe against the heavy hitters can still win an economic war against the far more expensive, larger ships. A Diplomacy or a Missouri followed by a Kittyhawk is most of the time much stronger then 2 of the same kind. Mixing T-Rexes and Madonnzilas works better than either individually. A Diamond Flame followed by a Crystal Thunder is really strong. | However, don't underestimate ship combinations. The [[The Solar Federation|Feds]], [[Lizards]] and [[Crystals]] in particular have reasonably strong, cheap ships, that while unable to go toe-to-toe against the heavy hitters can still win an economic war against the far more expensive, larger ships. A [[Diplomacy Class Cruiser|Diplomacy]] or a [[Missouri Class Battleship|Missouri]] followed by a [[Kittyhawk Class Carrier|Kittyhawk]] is most of the time much stronger then 2 of the same kind. Mixing [[T-Rex Class Battleship|T-Rexes]] and [[Madonnzilla Class Carrier|Madonnzilas]] works better than either individually. A [[Diamond Flame Class Battleship|Diamond Flame]] followed by a [[Crystal Thunder Class Carrier|Crystal Thunder]] is really strong. | ||
== Notes == | == Notes == | ||
* | * That why this is awesome strategy game, with diplomacy and luck. | ||
* Most | * Most races don't have more than few battleships that they need to build, and freighters as needed. | ||
* | * Small ships can be good scouts or money runners. | ||
* While | * While [[Colonies]] don't need medium or smaller freighters at all because they have the [[Cobol Class Research Cruiser|Cobol]]. | ||
See [http:// | See [http://vgaplanets.nu/ships The VGA Planets Nu ship list]. | ||
Good medium-sized ships are (in no particular order): | |||
[[Ill Wind Class Battlecruiser]], [[Super Star Carrier]], [[Lizard Class Cruiser]], [[Emerald Class Cruiser]], [[Resolute Class Battlecruiser]]. | |||
The [[Empire]]'s [[Super Star Cruiser]] is bad, if it has high-level beams agaist torp race. | |||
But | But it's a tech 9 hull. | ||
But like the [[Fascist]] coldpain 4 beam and 2 tube should not be ignored. Cos they come in cloak, and pillage. Same goes Birdmen ships, and they steal your fuel and beam up all money. | But like the [[Fascists|Fascist]] coldpain 4 beam and 2 tube should not be ignored. Cos they come in cloak, and pillage. Same goes [[The Empire of Birds|Birdmen]] ships, and they steal your fuel and beam up all money. | ||
The [[Empire|Evil Empire's]] [[Super Star Destroyer]] is widely overrated. Though it's [[Imperial Assault]] ability it incredibly powerful, it is difficult to use, as the [[Super Star Destroyer|SSD]] is a relatively weak carrier with only 3 bays. Though it cannot be attacked by planets, it is easily destroyed by enemy ships, and most enemy planets worth taking will have defending ships in orbit that will destroy the [[Super Star Destroyer|SSD]]. Therefore, it is most easily used in attacking frontier planets, though they would usually be captured just as easily by a direct battle. The [[Super Star Destroyer|SSD]] really shines toward the end of a game when most of an enemy's ships were either destroyed or occupied in space battles; an [[Empire|Evil Empire]] player could then safely move their [[Super Star Destroyer|SSD]]s into orbit for [[Imperial Assault]]. It would also be possible to perform an [[Imperial Assault]] early or in the middle of a game if you are allied with a cloaking race; your ally could [[Cloaked Tow|cloak-tow]] all of your enemy's ships away from his planet so you could safely perform an [[Imperials Assault]] next turn (assuming your enemy doesn't build another warship). | |||
Revision as of 00:18, 9 June 2011
Overview
This page will discuss various tactical considerations when pitting two or more ships against each other.
Usually ships with 3 or fewer fighter bays are not considered combat vessels. The Evil Empire's Super Star Destroyer for instance is better used in conjunction with a beefier ship (its Imperial Assault ability is much more valuable than the ship per se), and can only effectively fight ships with a few beams. Additionally, 1- or 2-bay carriers like the Iron Slave Class Baseship are seldom built, simply because they are not powerful at all.
The outcome of combat between two ships depends on the abilities of the ships involved, and the combination used. A cheap combination of ships can take out an expensive ship, and a race that trades cheap ships to kill expensive ships can often lose almost every battle, and win the war in the end by bleeding dry their opponent.
Most Powerful Ships
By consensus, the most powerful ships in the game, all things considered, are the following:
- Gorbie (Evil Empire, Carrier)
- Biocide (Cyborg, Carrier) Biocide 67.3% vs Virgo 27.3%
- Golem (Robots, Carrier)
- Rush (Rebels, Carrier)
- Virgo (Colonies, Carrier)
- Automa (Robots, Carrier)/ Crystal Thunder (Crystals, Carrier)
- Annihilation (Cyborg, Torp)
- Nova (Feds, Torp)
- Darkwing (Birdmen, Torp)
- Instrumentality (Robots, Carrier)
- Victorious (Fascists, Torp)/ Diamond Flame (Crystals, Torp)
- T-Rex (Lizards, Torp; with Liz crew is better then a Vict/Diamond Fl)
- Missouri (Feds, Torp)
However, don't underestimate ship combinations. The Feds, Lizards and Crystals in particular have reasonably strong, cheap ships, that while unable to go toe-to-toe against the heavy hitters can still win an economic war against the far more expensive, larger ships. A Diplomacy or a Missouri followed by a Kittyhawk is most of the time much stronger then 2 of the same kind. Mixing T-Rexes and Madonnzilas works better than either individually. A Diamond Flame followed by a Crystal Thunder is really strong.
Notes
- That why this is awesome strategy game, with diplomacy and luck.
- Most races don't have more than few battleships that they need to build, and freighters as needed.
- Small ships can be good scouts or money runners.
- While Colonies don't need medium or smaller freighters at all because they have the Cobol.
See The VGA Planets Nu ship list.
Good medium-sized ships are (in no particular order): Ill Wind Class Battlecruiser, Super Star Carrier, Lizard Class Cruiser, Emerald Class Cruiser, Resolute Class Battlecruiser. The Empire's Super Star Cruiser is bad, if it has high-level beams agaist torp race. But it's a tech 9 hull.
But like the Fascist coldpain 4 beam and 2 tube should not be ignored. Cos they come in cloak, and pillage. Same goes Birdmen ships, and they steal your fuel and beam up all money.
The Evil Empire's Super Star Destroyer is widely overrated. Though it's Imperial Assault ability it incredibly powerful, it is difficult to use, as the SSD is a relatively weak carrier with only 3 bays. Though it cannot be attacked by planets, it is easily destroyed by enemy ships, and most enemy planets worth taking will have defending ships in orbit that will destroy the SSD. Therefore, it is most easily used in attacking frontier planets, though they would usually be captured just as easily by a direct battle. The SSD really shines toward the end of a game when most of an enemy's ships were either destroyed or occupied in space battles; an Evil Empire player could then safely move their SSDs into orbit for Imperial Assault. It would also be possible to perform an Imperial Assault early or in the middle of a game if you are allied with a cloaking race; your ally could cloak-tow all of your enemy's ships away from his planet so you could safely perform an Imperials Assault next turn (assuming your enemy doesn't build another warship).
